COMMANDER'S COMMENTS

For those who were not able to make our meeting last month -
you  really missed a great program.  Lt.  Colonel Stringer's
program was probably one of the better presentations we have
had  at  our camp meetings in a while - and he did make some
rather interesting points in his talk that I'm  sure  Walter
Tucker will cover in his comments.  Three things though that
I appreciated - he's a Marine; he's a Boston Red Sox fan  (I
know Chuck liked that); and he is from Va.  Tech.           

Recently   I   had   the  opportunity  of  representing  the
Longstreet Camp  at  a  meeting  of  the  Virginia  Division
Executive   Council-SCV   meeting  that  was  held  here  in
Richmond, and while I will not bore you with all the details
-  I  did  want  to  share  some  items that came out of the
meeting.  I'm sure by now most  everyone  is  aware  of  the
fight  going on down at the recently re-opened State Capitol
Building with the Clerk of the House and the Speaker of  the
House  concerning the removal of the Confederate Battle Flag
from the Old House chambers when it was under renovation.   

Of course we all want to see the Battle Flag put back in its
place  in the Old House Chambers, but evidently Clerk of the
House Jameson and Speaker William Howell have other ideas  ,
one  of  which  is  to create a display case outside the Old
House Chambers to contain the Battle Flag along with  others
.   The Virginia Division-SCV is going to have a petition at
the State Fair for anyone and everyone who comes by the  SCV
Booth to sign.  The petition states that we request that the
Flag be placed back in its  rightful  position  in  the  Old
House  Chambers.   This petition may be signed by anyone who
lives in  the  Commonwealth  of  Virginia  -  not  just  SCV
members.   We  should  let our elected public officials know
exactly what we think about their "decision" - and  if  they
aren't  willing  to  listen to us one way, then perhaps they
will listen to us when we show up at the polls  to  vote  in
November,  2008.   Bumper  stickers have also been developed
for anyone wishing to place one on their vehicle - I hope to
bring one to our October meeting.                           

Another  item  is  a  proposed book to be developed with the
help of members of the  Virginia  Division-SCV.   This  book
will  contain  photographs of our ancestors, reproduced from
copies that we furnish, accompanied by a  small,  but  vital
bit of historical information that we provide.              

This book arrangement is being coordinated by Rosemarie Kidd
(no relation), a member of the UDC Chapter in Hampton, VA  -
and  is  being coordinated through Arcadia Books.  Next time
you are in your favorite bookstore,  go  to  their  Regional
Books  Section,  and you may find some books similar to what
she is proposing also done by Arcadia Books.  You  may  have
seen  some  emails floating around in your computer in-boxes
recently about  this  project.   I  strongly  encourage  all
members  of  the  Longstreet  Camp  to  participate  in this
venture--likewise, if you know  any  members  of  other  SCV
Camps within the Virginia Division, let them know about this
so they may get their camp members  to  participate  in  it.
This  book  is for us and our ancestors and their families -
this is our chance to get their stories out for everyone  to
see and read about.                                         

You can't change public opinion about something all at once,
but you can change it one person at a time  -  this  is  our
chance  to  change some people's opinion of who the Southern
soldier was-I think some people will be  very  surprised  at
what  they see.  It's our chance to show everyone why we are
all so proud of our ancestors and what they stood and fought
and died for.                                               

Again  -  a  reminder  to  please  turn  in your dues if you
haven't already done so.  For those who have  -  Thank  You.
For  those  of you who haven't , please get your dues turned
in to the Virginia Division Treasurer as soon  as  you  can.
You may no longer turn your yearly dues in to Walter Tucker.
An amendment was passed at this year's  Division  Convention
changing   the   dues  process.   Starting  with  this  dues
collection period, all yearly dues will now be  turned  into
the Division Treasurer and not the Camp Adjutant.  If anyone
is confused by this process, please let me know.            

The Longstreet Camp Christmas Banquet is  set  for  Tuesday,
December  11th at the Westwood Club - I hope to see everyone
there.                                                      

Remember - "Longstreet is the camp  boys-Longstreet  is  the
camp!"                                                      

I  look  forward to seeing everyone at our next camp meeting
on the 16th of October.                                     

Deo Vindice!                                                
					Mike

ADJUTANT'S REPORT

Our Camp has been saddened by the death  of  Robert  "Butch"
Mahone  on September   10.   Butch  was  pretty  regular  in
attendance with his good  friend  Ray  Crews  until  illness
caused  him  to miss our May and June meetings.  He was back
with us in July.  Butch was a talented gentleman who  was  a
member of the 12th Virginia Re-enactors.  At Butch's funeral
service, Henry Kidd, a fellow  member  of  the  re-enactment
group,  proudly  showed  me a lapel pin which Butch had made
for the group.                                              

It was great to have Gene Lyon and Jerold Evans back with us
at our September meeting after their recent surgeries.      

We  were  pleased to induct at the September meeting Crawley
F.  Joyner, III, whose ancestor served in the 47th  Virginia
Infantry.  Thanks to Jeb Stuart, IV, who recommended Crawley
to our Camp.                                                

Two applications have been sent  to  headquarters.   William
Gleason,  Jr.'s  ancestor  served  in  Company K of the 34th
Virginia Infantry.  Tom Hicks's ancestor served in Company E
of   the   8th  Alabama  Volunteers.   We  appreciate  Clint
Cowardin's recruiting William, and we  thank  past  Virginia
Division  Commander  Brandon Dorsey for referring Tom to our
Camp.   We  shall  schedule  an  induction  ceremony   after
membership certificates are received from headquarters.     

Another  member new to our Camp is Keith Zimmerman, formerly
a member of A.  P.  Hill Camp.  Keith is a  retired  Henrico
County firefighter and attended our September meeting.      

We welcome these new members to our Camp.                   

Many  thanks  to all who have paid renewal dues.  Membership
cards have been delivered or mailed to all  who  have  paid.
All  who  haven't  paid  are  encouraged  to do so promptly,
sending  your  check  for  $  45.00,  payable  to   Virginia
Division,  accompanied by the Division remittance statement,
to the address on  the  Division  bill.   Longstreet  Camp's
portion  of  the  dues,  $ 15.00, needs to be entered on the
appropriate line of the Division billing  statement.   There
are two $ 5.00 reinstatement fees (one for Division; one for
National) for any  paid  after  October  31.   The  Division
adjutant  will probably be deluged with dues payments as the
end of October approaches.  Please email or call me  if  you
have any questions.                                         

The  Museum of the Confederacy is to be congratulated on its
satellite locations, which will enable it  to  display  more
artifacts  and attract more visitors.  All the locations are
good, but Fort Monroe  has  several  things  going  for  it.
Robert  E,  Lee was stationed there, Abraham Lincoln visited
there, and Jefferson Davis was unjustly imprisoned there. In
modern  times,  John  S.  D.  Eisenhower, son of General and
later President Dwight D.  Eisenhower and  his  wife  Mamie,
was  married  in the Chapel of the Centurion at Fort Monroe.
There's a marker on a pew reminding visitors of the wedding.
The  Chapel  has  a  stained  glass window featuring a Roman
soldier.                                                    

The recent flap over returning a Confederate flag to the old
House  of Delegates chamber in the Virginia capitol building
reveals once again the incorrect use of the term "Stars  and
Bars."  That  flag  is  the Confederate First National flag.
Confusion of this flag with the American stars  and  stripes
on  the battlefield led the Confederacy to adopt a different
battle flag.  The most  familiar  Confederate  flag  is  the
battle flag, Army of Northern Virginia pattern.  This square
flag  was  declared  "the  battle  flag"   by   the   United
Confederate  Veterans  in  1904.  John Coski's fine book The
Confederate Battle Flag:  America's  Most  Embattled  Emblem
explores  the  origins of the flag and its use and misuse up
until the present.                                          

Another error popping up is in  connection  with  Robert  E.
Lee's swearing in at the House chamber.  A recent Washington
Post story about Virginia's Capitol building stated that Lee
took  command  of  Confederate forces there.  That is simply
false.  In accordance with Governor Letcher's  formal  offer
of  April  21,  1861, Lee, having resigned his commission in
the United States Army, took command of Virginia's  military
and  naval  forces  with  the  rank of major general.  Three
weeks later, on May 14, Virginia troops were transferred  to
Confederate service, and Lee was confirmed brigadier general
( highest rank then existing) in the Confederate  Army.   On
June 14 he was confirmed as a full general.                 

We remember Mark Twain most for his humor, but he also wrote
some priceless gems, one of which was, "Truth  is  the  most
valuable  thing  that  we have." Each of us, in keeping with
Stephen Dill Lee's charge, is  responsible  for  proclaiming
and circulating the truth.                                  

					Walter

GENERAL JAMES LONGSTREET CAMP #1247

NEXT MEETING-TUESDAY, OCTOBER 16, 2007

ROMA'S RESTAURANT
8330 STAPLES MILL RD.
LOCATED IN "THE SHOPS AT STAPLES MILL"
TURN LEFT AT FIRST STOPLIGHT NORTH OF
THE WISTAR SHOPPING CENTER

DINNER - SOCIAL 6:00 PM
MEETING STARTS AT 7:00 PM

OCTOBER PROGRAM

Our speaker for October's meeting will be  John  Hock.   Mr.
Hock is a historian and tour guide at Shirley plantation. He
will speak to us about the plantation's role during the  war
of  northern aggression and the historical preservation work
currently being performed at the historic site.             

                                                 Taylor

SEPTEMBER PROGRAM

LCOL William Stringer, USMC Retired

Currently Deputy Commandant of Cadets for First Battalion at
Virginia  Tech  asked  us to imagine that we were on a staff
ride to Gettysburg to put ourselves in the shoes of  General
Robert E.  Lee making decisions on July 2, the second day of
the battle.  He described this as the most  complex  day  of
the battle.                                                 

Union Army 11th Corps Commander Oliver O.  Howard, not noted
for his effectiveness as a commander, selected Cemetery Hill
as  a  key  defensive  location.  Lee was bringing in troops
from north and northwest of Gettysburg.   He  learned  sadly
that A.  P.  Hill and Richard Ewell did not function well in
the latitude given them in Lee's orders.  Lee had been  very
successful  from  the  time  he  took command of the Army of
Northern Virginia  in  June  1862  through  the  outstanding
victory  at  Chancellorsville in giving his corps commanders
considerable  latitude.   Unfortunately  Stonewall  Jackson,
mortally wounded at Chancellorsville, was gone.            

Because  of  the absence of Jeb Stuart, Lee's reconnaissance
was severely hampered.  Stuart had taken his best commanders
with  him.   Two  remaining  behind  guarded  passes and did
nothing else.  Lee sent  Captain  Johnson  to  study  Little
Round Top at 5 AM.  He reported it to be unoccupied.        

Lee's commander's intent for his three corps commanders was for:

1.  Longstreet to  be  the  main
attacking  force  coming  up the
Emmitsburg Pike south  to  north
and  coming in on the Union left
flank.                          

2.  Hill to threaten the  center
of the Union line.              

3.  Ewell to demonstrate against
the Union right  flank  and,  if
the     opportunity    presented
itself, to attack.              

Lee held a commanding general's  conference;  unfortunately,
Longstreet was the only corps commander present.            

Longstreet  was  waiting for all his brigades to come up and
was later than expected  in  launching  his  attack.   Lee's
intelligence was out of date in the afternoon, by which time
the Yankees had occupied Little Round Top.  Longstreet ended
up attacking west to east.                                  


Union 3rd Corps Commander Dan Sickles had moved to the Peach
Orchard, which was right in the path of Longstreet's attack.
A.   P.   Hill  was  supposed to give Richard B.  Anderson's
Division to Longstreet, but he never did so.  There  was  no
communication between Anderson and Longstreet.              

John  Bell Hood was wounded severely in the first 15 minutes
of the attack.  There  was  a  lack  of  coordination  among
Division   commanders.   Dorsey  Pender  was  wounded.   His
brigade commanders did not know what he wanted.             

Lee's  intent  was   for   the   three   corps   to   attack
simultaneously.  Ewell and Longstreet attacked sequentially.
Hill  never  did  a  thing.   In  contrast,  Meade  had  two
outstanding  corps  commanders in Winfield Scott Hancock and
John Gibbon.  His possession of interior lines enable him to
shift troops to where they were most needed.                

Longstreet's plan of attack was well conceived, and Old Pete
did his part in attempting to make the day a success for the
Army  of  Northern Virginia.  Unfortunately, the other corps
commanders let the Army of Northern Virginia down badly.    

					Walter

In Memoriam

Our compatriot, Robert W.  (Butch) Malone, left us
on Monday, September 10, 2007.

He  is  survived  by his beloved wife of 31 years,
Jean  Mahone;  daughter,  Elizabeth  Austin;  son,
Robert   Douglas   Mahone;  stepdaughters,  Bonnie
Hughes and Wendy Schroyer; stepson, Richard McGee;
mother-in-law,  Mary  Winston; nine grandchildren,
Kare,  Cain,  Kaylee,  Andrea,  Levi,   Christina,
James,  Ian  and  Lydia; four great grandchildren;
nieces, Kathy and Connie  Mahone;  sisters-in-law,
Viola Mahone and Shirley Angle.                   

Butch  had a love for life and shared his love for
history  through  his  business,  Mahone's   Forge
Historical   Productions.    Mahone's  Forge  took
living history into the school system,  performing
hands-on demonstrations.                          

He was a member of Webber Memorial Baptist Church,
Past Master of Woodland Heights Lodge #345,  A.F.&
A.M.,  a member of Mahone's Brigade, 12th Virginia
Infantry, Company B, as well as  a  compatriot  of
General James Longstreet Camp # 1247.             

Our heartfelt condolences go out to the members of
his family.                                       

Death is but crossing the world, as friends do the
seas;  they  live  in one another still.  For they
must needs be present, that love and live in  that
which is omnipresent.                             

In  this  divine glass, they see face to face; and
their converse is free, as well as pure.  This  is
the  comfort  of  friends, that though they may be
said to die, yet their friendship and society are,
in the best sense, ever present, because immortal.

			William Penn, 
			More fruits of solitude

2005-2007 CAMP OFFICERS
LONGSTREET CAMP #1247
Commander: Michael Kidd	                     270-9651
1st. Lt. Cmdr.: Taylor Cowardin              359-9277
2nd Lt. Cmdr.: Thomas G. Vance	             282-6278
Adjutant/Treasurer: Walter Tucker            360-7247
Judge Advocate: Harry Boyd                   741-2060
Quartermaster: R. Preston Nuttall            276-8977
Chaplain: Henry V. Langford                  474-1978

PUBLICATIONS
Webmaster: Gary F. Cowardin                  262-0534
Website: longstreetscv.org                           
War Horse:  David P. George                  200-1311

LONGSTREET'S FIRST CORPS

The following is a listing of contributors to the upkeep  of
"The  Old  War  Horse" from July, 2007.  through the current
month.  As you know, our cumulative listing starts  in  July
of each year and we do not meet in August.                  

Lloyd Brooks*
Brian Cowardin
Taylor Cowardin
Jerold Evans
Kitty Faglie
Michael Hendrick
Peter Knowles,II
Joe Moschetti
John Moschetti
Peyton Roden
Bill Setzer
Austin Thomas
Jerry Wells
Hugh Williams 

In memory of Robert Mahone-Raymond Crews
In memory of Hef Ferguson and Chuck Walton-Walter Tucker

Legend:                                    
* - Multiple contributions                 
§ - Visitor Donation                       
+ - in memory of Past Cmdr. Tom Lauterbach 

INTERNATIONAL MAIL!!

The  following  email  was  received  by  your  editor  from
SOUTHERN England.                                           

Dave,                                             

Thanks for posting me the latest copy of the  "Old
War  Horse"  and  for  your  welcoming  note, much
obliged to you, sir.                              

I'm very glad to have been admitted as a member to
the  General Longstreet Camp and, whilst I do live
in England & am  a  British  citizen,  I  will  be
seeking  to attend at least 2 Camp meetings during
the course of this membership year.               

My first visit to Virginia I hope to  arrange  for
around  December  /  January  time and will ensure
that it coincides with a meeting.                 

Best regards, Southern England style,             
Jason Fazackarley                                 

ANOTHER NEW MEMBER SWORN IN!

CRAWLEY F. JOYNER, III     RECEIVING HIS PAPERS
   TAKES THE OATH                              
83 MEMBERS
NOW !!!
Thanks to all of you who are responsible for our  blossoming
ranks!  Let us all keep up the good work!                   

Our  Camp  is becoming well-known by those interested in the
history  of  the  Confederacy  who  seek  to  combine  great
fellowship  and  knowledge  of  their  forebears  and  their
actions in the War Between the States.  Let us all encourage
them to join with us in our efforts.                        

Bring  a  guest  to  the next meeting and introduce him to a
great group of men and their wives (for we do have wives who
enjoy our meetings also!)                                   

CALENDAR OF VIRGINIA EVENTS

THROUGH   2008   "Virginia   and    the    Confederacy:    A
quadricentennial  Perspective"  exhibit  the  Museum  of the
Confederacy   in   commemoration   of    Virginia's    400th
anniversary.   Featuring  Lee,  O'Ferrall,  Stuart and Cooke
artifacts and others  from  the  Museum's  collection.   For
information, visit www.moc.org

OCTOBER  26,27  Ghost  Walk  at  Endview Plantation, Newport
News, 7-9:30 p.m.  Guided candlelight tour of  the  grounds,
$7,  not  intended  for  younger children.  For information:
(757)887-1862; www.endview.org

OCTOBER 26-28  Civil  War  Reenactment  and  Living  History
Weekend  in  conjunction  with  Ghost  Walk  Weekend  at The
Exchange  Hotel  in  Gordonsville,  a  restored  Confederate
Hospital,  now  housing  the  Civil War Medical and Hospital
Museum.  Encampment, ghost walk.  Pregistration required for
free   meal,  walk-ons  welcome.   For  info:  Ron  Sanders,
(540)671-4482, ColWHTaylor@crucialisp.com or Exchange  Hotel
Civil War Museum, (540)832-2944.

NOVEMBER  3,  Jefferson  Davis'  Richmond,  historic walking
tour.  Museum of the Confederacy,  Richmond,  12  Noon.   $7
members,   $10  non-members.   Reservations  required.   For
information:  Dean  Knight,  (804)  649-1861,  Ext.   37  or
dknight@moc.org

NOVEMBER  3,  4  The  Battle  of  Bethesda  Church Civil War
Reenactment at Locust Grove  Plantation,  Walkertown.   10-6
both  days.  For information: (804)769-8201, (804) 744-6224;
http://peninsulaartillery.bizland.com

NOVEMBER  10  Popular  Grove  National   Cemetary   Luminary
Program,  Petersburg.   Lighting of more than 6,000 luminary
candles, stories, period music.  Free.  Hosted by Petersburg
National  Battlefield.   For  information, Ann Blumenschine,
(804) 732-3531, Ext.203; www.nps.gov/pete

NOVEMBER 17,18 27th Annual Capital of the Confederacy  Civil
War  Show  at  Richmond Raceway Complex, Richmond.  Saturday
9-5,  Sunday  9-3.   $6  over  age  12.   All  profits  from
admissions  donated  to  selected  museums and organizations
dedicated  to  education  and  preservation  of  Civil   War
history.  Presented by Central Virginia Civil War Collectors
Association  and  The  Museum  of  the   Confederacy.    For
information, (804) 737-5837, (804) 923-1006; www.cvcwca.com

A LITTLE SOUTHERN COMMENTARY

"The South is the only place in the world where nothing  has
to be explained to me."
					 Woodrow Wilson


"Snow in the South is wonderful.  It has a kind of magic and
mystery that it has nowhere else."
				       Thomas Wolfe


"If  you  are going to be underestimated by people who speak
more  rapidly,  the  temptation  is  to  speak  slowly   and
strategically and outwit them."

		 Doris Betts, On The Southern drawl


"No lie, the average Yankee knows as much about the South as
a hog knows about the Lord's plan for salvation."

				   William Price Fox

EDITOR'S NOTES

As a member of the "Seasoned" generation, I wonder
if  some  of  my  compatriots have as much trouble
reading  the   print   in   the   "Horse"   as   I
occasionally,  (only occasionally you understand!)
encounter in setting it up for publication.       

This issue  is  printed  in  12  pt.   Ariel  type
instead of the normal 10 pt.                      

Please  let  me hear from you as to which you find
easier on your eyes.                              
Web Master's Note use CTRL+ to inlarge the
font on the web page and CTRL- to reduce it.
Also, due to a speaker cancellation and  my  being
called  to  be  out of town for almost three weeks
and having to get this issue out early,  you  will
receive   notification   concerning   our  October
speaker at a later date.                          
				Dave